The only Important thing right now: Is the Steemit Stake Private Property?
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I'm happy to be at next meeting as a crypto lawyer with plenty of litigation experience. See www.jpbliberty.com & @jpbliberty Steem blog for details.
Yup, we need legal analysis and support. I'm also happy to review from my experience. I think anonymous actors should be sidelined for now.
Random opinion needs scrutiny.
Justin didn't remove his claim that they are malicious hackers. I don't agree with Justin. But some witnesses saw that as a top priority. It is telling of their concerns for the community and expertise in these matters. If it turns out that stake was not private property, which I believe, Justin should retract his statement. If it is private property, well thankfully no serious damage was done by the witnesses since funds were only frozen. It was Justin's decision to call in the exchanges as heavy artillery to help him which seems to be his potential blunder given the events since then.
This has to one of the most lucid, clear analyses I've seen of the events of the last couple of weeks. I too, listened to that recording and was appalled at (although I understood) the level of emotion. Only one witness (two at a stretch) stood out for me as being relatively calm and rational.
Sun is in it to win it. Whatever that might mean. He may (or may not) have had his minions do the depth of due diligence needed. It doesn't matter. He's claimed ignorance of certain things. Whether it's strategic or genuine, I don't know. Either way, it doesn't matter. This whole thing will run its course and if the posturing and (well, I won't say what I was going to say, but I'm sure you catch my drift), doesn't come to an end, Steemit as we know it will die. After that, what happens to the Steem, the Dapps and the community?
That is the question. And clearly there are a lot of people who care. One doesn't. He's just in it to make money. He said so.
over and out
For now.
He dropped liquid Steem to all time lows, worst case scenario it pumps and he dumps on us— then goes bye bye
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As you say.
Thanks. Glad someone else saw the clear message.
I'm impressed with our community but not with some of our leaders.
This isn't a game. I don't feel like speculating on what will happen. But I imagine if we don't get out act together, Justin will have his way with us.
Did Steem Witnesses even send one?
We need evidence. I can write a letter if I have references.
Agreed. And although I'm in Operation Ostrich and not posting about this, I am most certainly keeping an eye on things. It is also why, having removed my witness votes from those who were applying the soft fork, I voted for them again. It was patently obvious from that discussion that there was inadequate information and the communication abysmal.
It is a case, in the community of the enemy of the enemy is my friend. However, as you say, this is serious and folk need to recognise where their strenghth are and where they have deficits, to find people - like you - to fill the gaps.
I hope that they do ask for your help. Thank you for offering.
Basically— lol that’s what he said “I don’t know none of this until you guys froze my stake. basically”
Ned is in trouble for sure.
Sun said exactly what I’ve been telling everyone— he’s only here to make money and doesn’t really care about the community etc.
I believe it was a bit unprofessional to ask when he plans to exit since we can all wait for the pump. But I’m now worried since it’s obvious he wants out and legally I think he Can dump on us— after 13 weeks of course. Regulators will likely take his side to that degree if he decides to sell what he purchased on the open market. That currently is my only fear, the fact that he possibly went from classic long-term pump plan to straight up pump and dump this ‘B’ 😒
It’s not over that’s for sure, the witnesses need to hold strong and we need to onboard more troops. The crypto community will eventually see Steem has the strongest decentralized blockchain governance structure and likely jump onboard. Then we win.
Also, I think they accidentally fixed our over supply issue; wouldn’t be surprised if Steem starts mooning with the sudden tank in liquid supply on exchanges.
I also think we can still win.
But instead of on the blockchain, lets freeze it in the courts, lol.
We have the correct and righteous legal opinion. I think he will help us if we take him seriously.
If he wants to sue Ned for misleading him, cool, let's help him. We don't know what Ned told him. So let's trust him and help him discover the truth.
Yeah, if we combine forces against the real enemy (Ned 😅) there’s a huge up side to this whole debacle
Best way to find unity: a common enemy
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Hmmm... SteemFundation you say .... lawyers .. legality and paper things.... something to think about.... #witnesses
Some acknowledge Justin is also taking a multifaceted approach.
I think we can all agree legal and civil approaches are wise.
I do see others recognizing the importance of this route.
Thanks for your comment.
Thing is, is writing a blog online from steemit saying "we won't use the stake for x,y,z" legally binding? I'm not a legal person but I highly doubt it. Just sounds like it would make the source of whoever wrote it untrustworthy if they went against their word more than anything.
Plans change, steemit is a private company so whatever business was discussed was likely to be signed with an NDA or confidentiality agreement (like with any company contract that's signed... With a pen and paper) between Justin and Ned.
My personal view is that if there's no signed legally binding document proving that the stake would not be used then where's the footing/foundation for a legal case? And then, even if there was, who would Mr Scott even sign that contract with?? It doesn't add up in my mind but I'm observing from afar.
I was not in support of the soft fork, it sounded sketchy and had a feeling it would come back round. I did proxy witness vote for about an hour or two but I am abstaining from voting again. I don't really trust anyone at the moment!
It's going to have to be some meeting next time to fill me with any confidence. Viewing from the horizon with binoculars.
Well, I just read this article from crypto briefing and that got me setting theycallmedan as a witness vote proxy
https://cryptobriefing.com/steem-rallies-against-justin-suns-power-grab/
In addition to the above screenshot, see the screenshots below. The chain never lies!
The issue is it doesn't say how decentralization will occur. Selling openly on the market can decentralize.
They were selling on the market before this happened. Now I fear they will dump it quickly.
https://twitter.com/abitskeptic/status/1235226407388643328
@abitcoinskeptic More people need to hear this. Thanks for offering another way out of this quagmire.
Resteemed.
Yup trolling justin and 'hacking' him again won't work.
This is a side topic, but I have a strong suspicion that Ned also got suckered into buying/trading for a whole bunch of TRON as part of the multi-million dollar deal. Many big organizations will offer to buy something from another organization if they agree to buy something back, because to them it is viewed as a free exchange that costs nothing.
Makes sense. If Ned bought some Tron token with his own money and stake that's cool. If he traded Tron for Steemit stake, that's wrong.
This is a great piece of opinion on what happened in the meeting yesterday. I couldn't agree more. I've seen a lot of rage and insulting expressions that goes beyond community values, good dialog and even cultural respect, as for example @therealwolf expresses concerns here: (v0.22.333). Different perspectives are always susceptible to find common ground if you can listen to each other. It's needed a good negotiator on behalf of the awesome work that many have done in this blockchain!!
It won't be bad some of Ned's opinions in all of this!
Send you best vibes for this interesting times, @aBitcoinSkeptic, a pleasure to visit your blog!!
Thanks glad you liked it.
Justin had the advantage of a single mind and a coherent professional approach. But he sort of threw that away on social media, and especially his recent steem post.
In the end we get to know more about our witnesses and when this is iver we will be much stronger and more knowledgeable as a community.
Many news continue unfolding! But you are right, a stronger community will rise from all this!!
Big hug and good vibes, @aBitcoinSkeptic, I keep in touch with all your updates!!